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Re: Bitcoin

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Hmm, muss man fürs Erhalten von Bitcoin Gold die Bitcoins einfach in irgendeinem Offline- oder Paper-Wallet lagern? Oder gibt's da Voraussetzungen?

http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/devis ... en-5754424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kommt man mit Armory auch als Noob klar, oder sollte man dann lieber sowas wie Bitcoin Core nutzen?

https://bitcoin.org/de/wallets/desktop/windows/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

zumal die Armory-Website erwähnt, dass die Hardfork zu Bitcoin Gold eventuell gar nicht davon unterstützt wird (?)

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URGENT: Fragmented Backups Vulnerability

This vulnerability has been fixed in Armory 0.96.3 and later. Consider all wallets that use fragmented backups to be compromised and migrate all funds to a new wallet. If you want to use fragmented backups, update to Armory 0.96.3 immediately.
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Armory and Hard Forks

Recently there has been much debate in the Bitcoin community regarding Segregated Witness, hard forks and soft forks, and the usage of alternative node and mining software. The Armory developers (goatpig, droark, and achow101) support Segregated Witness as is in its current form, and also support Bitcoin Core. The Armory developers also oppose hard forks that may attack the original chain. Should a long-lasting hard fork that does not attack the original chain exist, we would consider implementing functionality required to allow Armory users to transact on that chain only if absolutely necessary (e.g. the transaction format for that chain is changed). Depending on how drastic the changes are, we may implement the change fully, implement a migration tool to another wallet that supports the change, or simply not support the fork at all.
https://btcarmory.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Für Paper Wallet fehlt mir ein privater Drucker. Oder lässt sich das auch noch per Hand notieren? Hmm, manche empfehlen für ne Paper-Wallet bitadress.org, andere warnen davor...

https://www.btc-echo.de/tutorial/ein-bi ... erstellen/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Hmm, alles nicht so einfach...
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Re: Bitcoin

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Person aus der Zukunft warnt vor Boitcoin

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... re_to_beg/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I am a time-traveler from the future, here to beg you to stop what you are doing. (self.Bitcoin)

eingereicht vor 4 Jahre von Luka_Magnotta

I am sending this message from the year 2025. Things are looking bleak here, and some of you will carry blood on your hands.

If you don't believe me, please move on, as I have no way of proving to you I'm really who I claim to be.

I don't want to waste any of your time, so I'm merely going to explain what happened.

On average, every year so far, the value of Bitcoin has increased by about a factor ten. From 0.1 dollar in 2010, to 1 dollar in 2011, to 10 dollar in 2012, to 100 dollar in 2013. From now on, there's a slight slowdown, as the value increased by a factor ten every two years, to 1,000 dollar in 2015, to 10,000 in 2017, 100,000 in 2019, and 1,000,000 in 2021. From here onwards, there's no good way of expressing its value in dollars, as the dollar is no longer used, nor is any central bank issued currency for that matter. There are two main forms of wealth in today's world. Land and cryptocurrency.

There are just over 19 million Bitcoin known to be used in the world today, as well as a few hundred thousand that were permanently lost, and we're still dealing with a population of just over 7 billion people today. On average, this means the average person owns just under 0.003 bitcoin. However, due to the unequal distribution of wealth in my world, the mean person owns just 0.001 bitcoin. That's right, most of you reading this today are rich. I personally live next to an annoying young man who logged into his old Reddit account two years ago and discovered that he received a tip of 0.01 Bitcoin back in 2013 for calling someone a "faggot" when he was a 16 year old boy. Upon making this discovery he bought an airline ticket, left his house without telling anyone anything and went to a Citadel.

"What is a Citadel?" you might wonder. Well, by the time Bitcoin became worth 1,000 dollar, services began to emerge for the "Bitcoin rich" to protect themselves as well as their wealth. It started with expensive safes, then began to include bodyguards, and today, "earlies" (our term for early adapters), as well as those rich whose wealth survived the "transition" live in isolated gated cities called Citadels, where most work is automated. Most such Citadels are born out of the fortification used to protect places where Bitcoin mining machines are located. The company known as ASICminer to you is known to me as a city where Mr. Friedman rules as a king.

In my world, soon to be your world, most governments no longer exist, as Bitcoin transactions are done anonymously and thus most governments can enforce no taxation on their citizens. Most of the success of Bitcoin is due to the fact that Bitcoin turned out to be an effective method to hide your wealth from the government. Whereas people entering "rogue states" like Luxemberg, Monaco and Liechtenstein were followed by unmanned drones to ensure that governments know who is hiding wealth, no such option was available to stop people from hiding their money in Bitcoin.

Governments tried to stay relevant in my society by buying Bitcoin, which just made the problem worse, by increasing the value of Bitcoin. Governments did so in secret of course, but my generation's "Snowdens" are in fact greedy government employees who transferred Bitcoin to their own private account, and escaped to anarchic places where no questions are asked as long as you can cough up some money.

The four institutions with the largest still accessible Bitcoin balance are believed to be as following:

-ASICminer - 50,000 Bitcoin

-The IMF's "currency stabilization fund" - 70,000 Bitcoin

-Government of Saudi Arabia - 110,000 Bitcoin

-The North Korean government - 180,000 Bitcoin

Economic growth today is about -2% per year. Why is this? If you own more than 0.01 Bitcoin, chances are you don't do anything with your money. There is no inflation, and thus no incentive to invest your money. Just like the medieval ages had no significant economic growth, as wealth was measured in gold, our society has no economic growth either, as people know their 0.01 Bitcoin will be enough to last them a lifetime. The fact that there are still new Bitcoin released is what prevents our world from collapse so far it seems, but people fear that the decline in inflation that will occur during the next block halving may further wreck our economy.

What happened to the Winklevoss twins? The Winklevoss twins were among the first to die. After seeing the enormous damage done to the fabric of society, terrorist movements emerged that sought to hunt down and murder anyone known to have a large balance of Bitcoin, or believed to be responsible in any way for the development of cryptocurrency. Ironically, these terrorist movements use Bitcoin to anonymously fund their operations.

Most people who own any significant amount of Bitcoin no longer speak to their families and lost their friends, because they had to change their identities. There have been also been a few suicides of people who could not handle the guilt after seeing what happened to the bag-holders, the type of skeptical people who continued to believe it would eventually collapse, even after hearing the rumors of governments buying Bitcoin. Many people were taken hostage, and thus, it is suspected that 25% percent of "Bitcoin rich" actually physically tortured someone to get him to spill his password.

Why didn't we abandon Bitcoin, and move to another system? Well, we tried of course. We tried to step over to an inflationary cryptocurrency, but nobody with an IQ above 70 was willing to step up first and volunteer. After all, why would you voluntarily invest a lot of your money into a currency where you know your wealth will continually decline? The thing that made Bitcoin so dangerous to society was also what made it so successful. Bitcoin allows us to give into our greed.

In Africa, surveys show that an estimated 70% of people believe that Bitcoin was invented by the devil himself. There's a reason for this. It's a very sensitive issue that today is generally referred to as "the tragedy". The African Union had ambitious plans to help its citizens be ready to step over to Bitcoin. Governments gave their own citizens cell phones for free, tied to their government ID, and thus government sought to integrate Bitcoin into their economy. All went well, until "the tragedy" that is. A criminal organization, believed to be located in Russia, exploited a hardware fault in the government issued cell phones. It's believed that the entire continent of Africa lost an estimated 60% of its wealth in a period of 48 hours. What followed was a period of chaos and civil war, until the Saudi Arabian and North Korean governments, two of the world's major superpowers due to their authoritarian political system's unique ability to adapt to the "Bitcoin challenge", divided most African land between themselves and were praised as heroes by the local African population for it.

You might wonder, what is our plan now? It's clear that the current situation can not be sustained, without ending in a nuclear holocaust. I am part of an underground network, who seek to launch a coordinated attack against the very infrastructure of the Internet itself. We have at our disposal about 20 nuclear submarines, which we will use to cut all underwater cables between different continents. After this has been successfully achieved, we will launch a simultaneous nuclear pulse attack on every densely population area of the world. We believe that the resulting chaos will allow the world's population to rise up in revolt, and destroy as many computers out there as possible, until we reach the point where Bitcoin loses any relevance.

Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite.

This is also the reason we contacted you.

It doesn't have to be like this. You do not have to share our fate. I don't know how, but you must find a way to destroy this godforsaken project in its infancy. I know this is a difficult thing to ask of you. You believed you were helping the world by eliminating the central banking cartel that governs your economies.

However, I have seen where it ends.
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Re: Bitcoin

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Irgendwie hanis Gfühl isch wirds bereue wenni das Phänomen witerhin ignorier. Er isch bereits uf 6190 Dollar :shock:

Zu däm Reddit-Post us der "Zuekunft". Isch wohl nit unmöglich öppis erschine zlo als wärs vor 4 Jahr postet worde. Vor allem findi die ca. 300 Kommentär relativ wenig zu some provokative Thema. Und keine isch neuer als 4 Jahr ... :kicher:
Oder isch de Post nachwislich bereits bekannt gseh im 2013 ?
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Re: Bitcoin

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Ignoriere isch eigentlich di beschti Strategie...allerdings nur wennt es paar BTC hesch :mrgreen:

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Re: Bitcoin

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Und damit chasch Geld verdiene. (Oder verlüre, wenn nid de richtig Riecher hesch.
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Wo chann ich diräkt mit Schwizer Frankler BC chaufe ? Bitpanda und vieli anderi tusche nur Euro in BC :|
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Re: Bitcoin

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d Frag isch eher, wo chan ich mini 1000 btc in Schwiizer Franke zrugg wechsle. und zwar in bar.
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geosnow hat geschrieben:d Frag isch eher, wo chan ich mini 1000 btc in Schwiizer Franke zrugg wechsle. und zwar in bar.
Ich ha e Xapo Card für das, chasch a jedem Automat Geld useloh wenn bc druff hesch:
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Re: Bitcoin

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Jap, Chärtli sind super....ich han na eini bi Wirex und Coinizy. Bi allerdings grad nüm so ufem neuschte Stand weli das am beschte isch vo de Gebühre her und so. Ich gib so guet wie nie BTC us...

Chasch ja mal dri güxle...
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6 mio chf? Wiä machi das?
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Wennt würklich 1000 BTC hetsch, denn Kraken. Die mached das sicher für dich.
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nei, hani nöd. hätti mal es paar bi 100chf kauft, wäri bi 500 sicher use. :typej:

de shady hät ja gxeit er hät 328. :twisted:
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Re: Bitcoin

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was machsch eigentlech, wenn es btc vermöge wosch bruche in real life? also z.b e Sportwage oder es huus choufe? zahlt dir öper Millionebeträg us? nimmt ja nid jede btc a...
oder chasch direkt ame chäufer/investor übergäh? :noob:
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Verchaufsch Bitcoin eifach uufeme Exchange (coinbase z.B.) gäge Euro oder Dollar und überwiisisch es zrugg uuf diis Bankkonto (muesch natürli Kontoahgabe im Exchange hinderlah). Abeme gwüsse Betrag will dBank dänn wüsse, wohär dCholle häsch, woruuf ne dänn en Nachwiis erbringe muesch, wänns unbedingt druff bestönd.
Wäre unsere Zivilisation ein Pferd, hätte man es schon lange erschossen.
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geosnow hat geschrieben:
de shady hät ja gxeit er hät 328. :twisted:
das wäre demfall ca. 2'103'224.34 Euro ??? :kitzel:
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geosnow hat geschrieben:nei, hani nöd. hätti mal es paar bi 100chf kauft, wäri bi 500 sicher use. :typej:
Also jetzt mol agnoh es goder um de cash, wo wär s Problem? Hettisch immerhin din Cholä verfüffacht.
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Gege, machs wie ich. Nimm en chleine Betrag wo dir nit weh tuet und stig i. Wenn de Kurs witerhin so geil stigt, chasch immerno es vielfachs devo gwünne. Wenn de dümmschti Momänt iträffe würdi, und alles verliersch, wirds nie mehr gseh si als das wo zahlt hesch.

Aber muesch halt bitz Geduld ha, und nid bi jedere Kapriole wo de Kurs macht Panik überbecho. Innert chürzeschter Zit chaner es paar Hundert ufe und denn wieder abefalle. Aber wenn die langfrischtig Entwicklig aluegsch gsesch dass es eigentlich nur in ei Richtig goht.
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Eifach immer chli chaufe nachdem de Kurs gsunke isch....wenn au nur für es paar Franke. Ich tuen z.B. na gern s Münz a de SBB Automate entsorge indemi BTC chaufe. D Gebühre sind zwar hoch, aber mittlerwile hani die locker wieder dine. Mer mues ja nid grad es mega Investment mache...jede wo chli mit de Technologie spielt holt früener oder spöter was use. Nid nur Geld, sondern au Know How.
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Wie funktioniert das bi der SBB ? Han nienets en BC Automat gfunde am Bahnhof.
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Ammm...bi de standard SBB Automate halt. Zersch wählsch Prepaid uflade und dete denn Bitcoin. S Minimum isch glaubs 20.-. Muesch nur druf achte, dass d Helligkeit vom Smartphone Display ufem Maximum hesch wennt de QR ilisisch und denn hebsches öpe uf de Höchi vom Billet/Wechselgeld Fach ganz unde ane.

Edit: https://www.sbb.ch/en/station-services/ ... tcoin.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
First select “Prepaid” then “Top up Bitcoin”
Scan the QR code on your Bitcoin wallet
Enter your desired amount (any sum between CHF 20 and CHF 500)
Confirm the offer received
Enter your mobile number and the security code (mTAN) sent to your phone
You cannot top up your Bitcoin wallet by credit card
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ah super. merci
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Ergänzig zu dem wo der Xino het gseit: Der QR-Code bim Automat im Abstand vo 20 cm (oder mehr) vor der Leser häbe. Denn funktionierts.
Daran denke ich als an die tätigste Epoche meines Lebens.
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Machts nit Sinn in jedi neui Crypto Währig es paar wenigi Franke z'inveschtiere?
Ich mein, göhn doch alli zerscht mol ufe, wenn nur eini vo vielne einigermasse erfolgrich wird (zb wie Ethereum oder Dash), sött sich das doch lohne und jenschti andere wo failed kompensiere, oder gits da en Hake?

Was meinet ihr zB zu IOTA ?
Git Lüt wo säget es chönnti die erfolgrichschti Währig näb Bitcoins wärde. Aktuell isches no spottbillig (<1$). Wär doch öppis womer en Hunni inveschtiere chönnti, oder nit?
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Was ich nöd begriif. Warum mues e Währig im Wert stiige. Es gaht eigentlich bi geld um en Öpfel besser gäge Fleisch z tuusche und nöd um us emene fuule Öpfel en goldige zmache.

Kenneder d Gschicht vode Tulpe us Amsterdam?

Eigentlich isch Geld unendlich. Drum chamme au immer Schulde mache.

Chan ich mich bi Bitcoin verschulden? war no geil, wills dete kei Rechtsgrundlag hät.
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Re: Bitcoin

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das es numme stiigt isches märli, jetzt scho nah bi early adaptors. sobalds in massemarkt izug ghalte haet, wird das sicherlich nömm de fall siii. uuserdem es mittel meh umd barzahlig verschwinde z lah. mal luege wie sich das entwicklet.

da werdet au na regulierige choh, bin ich mir sicher. das lönds nöd eifach so laufe. oder d banke chömet mit sonere immense marketing markt power das sie die ganze abüter eifach ufchaufet oder aber ihri blockchain produkt als die bessere aprisset und de massemarkt das natürli mitmacht.
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